| *R]-[C* Red Horst Clan |
| Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:00 |
| Game Star League - 2005 |
| 3.4 |
| Max rounds / All rounds count |
| 5 vs 5 |
| TO-2-Baxtown |
{dTa} as T |  |
6 - 6 |
| {dTa} as SF | |
9 - 3 |
| TO-Blister |
{dTa} as T | |
2 - 10 |
| {dTa} as SF | |
5 - 7 |
| 22 - 26 |
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FoC, GaB, BeTA, bmz, rB all played on our server fine. with no problems.
It seems only when German clans are loosing on our server that they wish to whine about unfairness and complain, then forcing us to play on a German server.. This is exactly what RHC done.
Baxtown was pretty much a walkover, we messed up many rounds on Ter, but SF was a breeze in the park. We should of had more rounds here, possibly 11-1 but we fooled around too much.
They whined about the server, when infact it was the fairest of them all. Uk and Germans playing on a Dutch server. It can not get much fairer. Yet they insisted and pointed to the rules saying we shouldn't infact be playing on a Dutch server at all.. And left us no choice but to play on a German server.
15, 32, 45, 35 and 42 ping vs 70, 45,60, 67, 46
I'm sure you can tell which teams ping was which from the above.
Totally unfair. It put us in a bad mood Blister is all about sniping and with the ping differences bram and psy had no chance.. Even the 2 rounds i decided to have a go, it was impossible.
Can't be assed to comment on the rest of the match.
RHC whined our server was unfair.. yet they knew we offered that server 3 days in advanced, let them test and they said it was fine.
Only when they were loosing they wanted to change servers, and then left us no choice.
IF this is how clans want to win wars then fine. I don't see no fun it it. Some people say cheaters ruin this community, i say unsportsmanship and playing unfair ruins this game.. not cheaters.
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it's always the same. if they should have had a win on baxtown, well i think they would play second map also there. unfortunately they turned on "unsportsmanship mode" and raped us with snipers on blister.
lol, a dutch server is always a good solution for german bratwurstplayers like me.
nvm, you cant win, if opponent got best to sniper. lmao |
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This is my only reply to this whole affaire.
Yes, we agreed 3 days before the match to play the FIRST map on your server. And if it sucked too much for us, to change to ours for 2nd map. That's what we wanted to do. If you compare the F1 pings on YOUR server to the F1 pings on the second server, which Trigga kindly organised, those on the second server had:
1. Less difference, with this time slight advantage to us, whereas on your server, you had a bigger advantage.
2. Lower in average, meaning the difference even mattered less, as pings under 50 don't make that much of a difference anywayz.
The numbers you give above are just wrong, you pick the worst numbers you had during whole map, and the best we had, the average is far from that, and was fairer on that server.
And the the thing with the F6 pings. We played on your server, although our F6 sucked, cause I agreed to play one map there. My team mates were already angry at me, but I kept my word. Although they server completely sucked, and max. netspeed 10K didn't help that either. We just couldn't hit shit, and fjRe with F1 ping 80-90, well, it was 4on5 to say the least.
You can just keep your view, that you would have pwned us under fair conditions, but I tried to see it in a neutral way, checked the screenies and the F1 pings, and in average, you even had a slight advantage after all. I say on LAN, we would just rape you. That's what I say. And just as a final side note, playing with 50 ping vs 20 ping is a lot easier than playing with 70-80 against 50-60. You should keep that in mind, your people |
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rarely pinged more than 55.
And the last thing I add: I have ping 70-90 with fastpath everywhere because of my crappy provider, so after all, ping doesn't matter that much, does it? The only one who really suffered was fjRe with 80-90, the others could all be happy...
In the end, you will see it your way, we will see it our way, and the endless server discussions will continue next time, until there is a perfect internet infrastructure without excuses for losses left :X. |
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always been the same with germans, and always will be
they are a bunch of freaks which can't stand losing and alwyas have to win at a lame way, been there seen it so many times...
sad bunch of geeks imo (not trigga, thats why he joined us :p)
simple as that
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we win, you lose.
ps read the gamestar rules about server ;)
the rest blabla.
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| same procedure |
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same procedure as every year & and same rabbiting like always. to make it a fair war with same conditions we should have played on our skyberate.
xel is a tritely crybaby, so dont pay attention to him ;) |
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Don't you guyz know? "Fair" in german means: we play on a german server so that we can fuck you up.
Always been this way, I bet if we had a UK server they wouldn't even had played one map there ...
they speak about "fair", and yet they don't even know what that word means :s
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close result none the less
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First of all I have to admit that RHC always stands for fairness etc, as all the "non-german" Clan which we played on CB can confirm..
I really don't know what u are complaining about. Ur server was more than worse for me as everyvody could see. As well the other ppl of my team had pings about 20ms more than average. We told u before the match, that we will change the server if it's unplayable - it was.. - So just have a look at triggas server.. Only Zuul had a ping advantage course he is using QDSL and he had the ping advantage at ur server as well. The rest of us had pings about 50-65 and ur pings weren't even worse..
If u would compare the 2 Servers in a fair way u have to came to the conclucion that u got a small advantage.. And ur still complaining?
I have to say that u were not that bad on Baxtown. We played this map twice and so the result is that high cuz we made many mistakes but u were better on baxtown anyway..
Blister isn't our homemap but we just wanted to play it. Everybody knows this map. Pings were nearly equal. Fact is: We just raped u and there is no excuse cuz averybody can see the "ping advantages" by checking the screemshots from our site..
Stop crying and complaining and be happy that the result is that low. It's a present from us to u and I hope we can stop this unusual discussion now. |
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fjRe said it all. If you do the maths on both servers, the 2nd one was fairer. I don't care what you say, look at the pings, and that's it, you even had advantage.
Plus, next time, you won't play this team, but our real team. As fjRe said, we are known to be a very fair clan, when it comes to server discussions, and of course, we would have continued on yours if we had won baxtown high enoug, because it would not matter. That does not mean the server would have been less crappy. We just wouldn't have bothered. Now, we did bother about fairness, and how come, you were bashed on a normal map, with equal pings, except for ZUUL, and we still sucked. And you weren't even willing to let our real team play, I mean, come on, what fairness is that?
Jesus, if you would just look at it the way it was, you would see that you are the whiners and bad losers, not us, because in overall, the conditions were more than fair to you.
Furthermore, GL in GSL, not all opponents will be that fair, some will force a German server for whole war...oh and about the skyberate being fair for the others, when we tested a skyberate public 3 days before, fjRe had ping 50-60, so actually, the routing must have been suckier yesterday. Or your skyberate just plain sux. And we couldn't test yours, cause we didn't have the pw to test... |
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sadly it isnt an unusual discussion.
its happening all the time... |
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| Und all alle RHC'ler, lasst es jetzt einfach, die können nicht verlieren, wir haben gewonnen, und noch mehr dazu schreiben bringt nix...sowohl fjRe als auch der Rest ;). Danke. |
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btw.
U don't even have to check our side for screenshots.. just check ur own onces by clicking the nice screen next to the result.
Ur server:
dTa| 52, 52, 68, 48, 59
RHC| 52, 57, 86, 65, 73
dTa| 34, 43, 58, 78, 52
RHC| 82, 83, 50, 54, 57
Average on UR server:
dTa| 54,4
RHC| 65,8
On Triggas Server:
dTa| 49, 67, 63, 65, 62
RHC| 58, 66, 71, 25, 54
dTa| 53, 53, 46, 59, 67
RHC| 56, 46, 50, 27, 50
Average on Triggas server:
dTa| 58,4
RHC| 50,3
All at all:
dTa| 54,4 + 58,4 = 112,8
RHC| 65,8 + 50,2 = 116
That are just FACTS taken from the end screenshots. I think the pings were a lil bit different but on both sides so plz show us any ADVANTAGE we had while naming FACTS and not any crap.
Those are MS and it's even frightening to see someone complaining about it!!! Its a game - u got the advantage and now gl to u for the next GSL matches.. |
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keep in mind, that uk boys play with packet loss on german servers.
bratwurst players play fine at all on dutch ones. you are the first clan complaining it.
ooooops, sry for writing, i should have been glad to play on a german server /ironie off
and now stop spamming our page xelnaga
"This is my only reply to this whole affaire"
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Yes, the dTa Server is not perfect,
but i can remeber the wars in CB,
where we played on "not german" servers,
we had a disadvantage, but on our german server,
it was UNPLAYABLE for them, so we decided every time,
to play the war to the end on the "not german" server,
its about fairness, how a clan handles this,
sure its your good right to play your map on your server,
but ... :)
regards
BackFlash.rB |
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| Most important think is that dta lost it's concentration with the server shit. The concentration you need to win a round ore lose it. Maybe next time agree on server before the match (dta server it was this time) and start the (german) whinning after it. If you look at the facts Germany is next to nl and so is england (seems fair) |
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germans always have to win at a foul way
but enjoy yer stolen win
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| good point yangao! after server troubles we lost all concentration, especially psy hax0r :) |
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| Excuses over excuses, jesus, never saw such bad losers... |
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| xel was is an den worten "stop spamming" nicht zu verstehen? deine geistl ergüße kannst auf der rhc page ausleben. du bist doch eh der beste sniper whahaha |
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| running gags never die |
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hmmm,quite funny...
1. quote arny "FoC, GaB, BeTA, bmz, rB all played on our server fine. with no problems.
It seems only when German clans are loosing on our server that they wish to whine about unfairness and complain, then forcing us to play on a German server.. This is exactly what RHC done."
hmm,you played against 6 german clans, 1 of them is complaining, and because of 1 clan you are comparing it to all other german clans? just poor
2. you`re right about the server discussion,...they tested it 3 days before,and accepted it!
3. but quote arny "IF this is how clans want to win wars then fine. I don't see no fun it it. Some people say cheaters ruin this community, i say unsportsmanship and playing unfair ruins this game.. not cheaters." isn`t it unfair from you,beeing mad about "the germans" ,because they tried to play under fair conditions?
is this what your calling sportsmanship?
4. @xelnaga never saw so many last replys on a news,...think you don`t really know what "last means" :)
5. must say dta is a fair clan,and it was fun playing against you guys
6.you can never have perfect conditions,so it has no sense to get mad about it,...like in soccer,with the referee
that`s game
...so at the end,take it easy,buy your mothers something for motherday,and look forward..sommer is coming :=)
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I can comment whenever I want, and Trigga is just poor for using such "argument" O_o.
We didn't agree on the server, only for one map. Keep your facts straight. |
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no you can't! rofl o_O
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u can see on the screen shots me getting 5% packet loss on your server i'm in UK, the dutch server,ours was equal to all. I didnt think it was fair on yours cause i kept getting packet loss never mind the pings.
thats my opinion :) |
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